What's best? ASProtect or Armadillo
 

I'm currently using ASProtect on my software but I'm considering move to Armadillo because the ASProtect author seems to have abandon the product. No new updates since August, almost a week to reply back to emails, etc etc.

What do you guys/gals think has the best protection? ASProtect or Armadillo? My software using ASProtect is usually cracked in a few days after it's released. I'm not thinking on a move to try to improve this because I know that everything can be cracked :)

But Armadillo does have very nice features over ASProtect.

Thanks,
Steven

I all honesty Armadillo is weaker than Asprotect...
I recommend svkp Protector

The odd thing is that I emailed the SVK Protector author asking what, in his opinion, was better on SVK Protector than on ASProtect. He replied to continue using ASProtect because SVK Protector was very similar.

Steven

LOL, I guess he must charge more for ASPR :p

Just to throw my 2 cents in here, I agree with crusader in that ASProtect is better than Armadillo. I might even go so far as to say ASPR's the best protector out there (disregarding that Xtreme bullshit that makes your app run 800% slower).

The problem is that no one uses it properly.

If you integrate it into your program tightly, and make heavy use of the encrypted/decrypted sections etc, ASPR can be very effective. Just doing a simple wrap of your program with ASPR is not enough, as you can well see... ;)

Regards

such like questions & answers just does advertising
for some commerz-protectors.

don't do it, guys!

Well... the truth is very simple:

Everything can be cracked - it's a matter of time.

If you want to chose between these protectors then I would take Armadillo because it has far the best licenses management solution which gives you many opportunities. I'm not talking about the protection but licenses. Neverthless of your decision all the packers (SVKP/Armadillo/AsProtect) can be cracked fair quickly so, I suggest to take the advantage of licenses :).

Best regards,
dyn!o

Armadillo is weaker than Asprotect?!

hmm... Let me see the only one good tutorial for unpacking Arma 3.60 or 3.70 with nanomites. Then, we'll see who is stronger :)

not in strongest is matter, but in correctness.

armadillo's nanomite/import elimination/code splicing is very strong.
not a lot of people can unpack armadillo. and there's no automatic unpack tool avilable for arma 3.0 or higher like there's asstripper 2.07 and 2.11 for aspack/protect

Correction: There is no public automatic unpack tool available for Arma 3.0 and higher.

A number of people have written their own private utilities that do the job quite well. I, for one, and also Squidge I think, and also a few people on Woodmann...

AsprStripper has never worked 100% on ASPR any of the times I have tried it (though it seems to work fine on ASPack), so I'm not sure I would say there's a "real" automatic unpack tool avail for ASPR 1.23+ either. ;)

Regards

asstripper works perfectly on every aspack/aspr app i've seen.

Apparently you haven't tried it on ResBuilder or TweakRAM or any of the other apps I've had to unpack manually recently. ;)

Regards

you are right, it doesn't always unpack correctly. asprotect has also some nice tricks that program doesn't work after unpacking, like the "Call Dword PTR:[xxxxxxxx]". for example, AnyDVD:

manual unpack: it can call it.
Stripper: DWORD is empty, no call. program crashes. you have to fix manually.

Advanced Administrative Tools: a large number of call eax, which code is dynamically unhashed. no way to fix all at once. but in this target, it doesn't matter if you use manual unpacking or stripper. but i think i have fixed nearly all of them.

there are a large number of targets which doesn't work after unpacking.
mostly that are targets which use the ASPR-Registration.

nothing perfect
 

security never perfect,just delay sometime.human made never been PERFECT,so the best protection for your soft is FREEWARE :eek: :D :)

yeah I am agree on 1 point ....
All software could be crack ... its just of matter of time but I saw 1 soft that nobody succeed to break and this company use its own security ...

They have beat the cracker out there :)
Moral of this story !!!
Learn how to crack and make you own security shit and sell you software not expensive :eek:

Flex
to whoom that want to know which software I am talking about pm me :rolleyes:

uncrackable
 

Quote of FlexLM message: "...I saw 1 soft that nobody succeed to break and this company use its own security..."

Well, mate... I saw and see lots of uncracked apps, especially dedicated to engineering - there are plenty of them. Have you ever wondered why they aren't cracked? Not because of protection strength but very little requirement. They are just not popular.

With all respect to your message it's not about strength but popularity. Think about it.

Best regards,
dyn!o

I am partially agree with you but not completely ...
I talk to great pps that usually do what ever they want in that field but in that case they never come across doing something workable. (lic gen)

Without any help with ida sdk signature, like they use with flex..LM shit, its more time consumming ...

Anyway like I said before if someone wanna try I can give an help like trying to decompile in asm and reverse to C language and try to understand ...

i agree, my friend is using some engineerinf tools as ProEngineer and Ansys, yet they are not really popular, they are still cracked !!!
However they are lotsa same stuff, which are not cracked because nobody knows them... So it won't get cracked till somebody needs them or want to challenge the crack.

The conclusion is - the best is hands and brains.

Sure Kameo that lots of pps I know would like to use it but nobody seem interested in that challenge !!!!!!
Are you interested to try ;)

It could be a good chanllenge and maybe will increase your knowledge in protection :p

cheer :rolleyes:

speaking about protection tools....

There is only one protection tool that has not been cracked since the last 1 year +
And the name of the beast is : XPROTECTOR

So , if i am trying to find a good protection tool then first of all i try to find
if it has been cracked the last 5 months..

@^^

Long discussion on "Xprotector" and interesting. Maybe you have already seen it.

http://www.woodmann.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4543

Regards,

Yes ok , you are right.
I never have purchased anything but speaking about protectors
sorry i think the best protector is XProtector even with some bugs.
And why this?
Because I DON"T HAVE SEEN ANY UNPACKED VERSION OF IT!

Regards

XProtector crashed my pc when I run it. :mad:

xprotector was never unpacked because it does not run :D *joking*

because..
 

xprotector never got unpacked cos evaluator never got around to it ;) only way to stop him is put a contract out on him, gotta hate that guy :)

guys..

i'm just poor musician, so can't crash too much my PC because of arrogant protector..

BUT!!
if you collect for my some $$ for new PC for me, I will crash&crash it for unpacking xprotector:)

Xprotector is quite unstable, really good for crackmes I think, but not for commercial appz.
It adds a heavy overload at your program (and make your program's size incredibly grow), and sometimes neven can be run well. Btw, if you don't add a heavy protection (I mean, not using 2000 de/crypting layers and the other things it can provide), sometimes could be useful.
For the discussion about ASprotect vs Armadillo, I can say only that I read some tutes about asprotect's manual unpacking and I found its methods very interesting.

yes , ok , xprotector is unstable because it is a very new product.
And this (i think) because it includes some very new characteristics such as the Ring0 binding , that is an "unknown word" for some other protection tools.

Take a look at the whitepaper...it is a very professional project.

Ok , every good project needs time...beta-testing , feedbacks and i believe
that everyone (interested in protection technology) must help good programmers.(this is my personal think)

I am using also , asprotect , armadillo and ok these versions are very very very stable.
They have 99% compatibility.
But these protection tools are available since the last 3-4 years.
And as we can say , the "beta-testing" is already completed.

XProtector as i can remember is only available in the last 1 + year.

But let's see the guys from xprotector team what they will make in the next 1 - 2 years.
After that period , we can again give our positive or negative vote ;)

But again , i don't have seen an unpacked or cracked version and i don't believe that the biggest's minds arround the globe don't have tried to crack it.
Am i right ?

Regards,
VD

But again , i don't have seen an unpacked or cracked version and i don't believe that the biggest's minds arround the globe don't have tried to crack it.
Am i right ?

this is because is not famous and not used by many programs... you'll see it cracked when it got famous or used by many outhere..... some freaky dumper will arrive for it as the medicine for the "beast" i have seen many Protectors outthere that claims to be the best .. at the end you see it cracked somewhere... anything is not perfect and it's just matter of time for someone to study and analize.. if it runs it can be defeated! ;)

I don't like X-Protector, although their ideas are unique I will give them that.

I hate the fact that they modify INT3 vectors, and from what I have seen of it even after the program has ended the system is unstable.

I would attribute this to the self contained VXD and its SYS counterpart, stay resident in memory, at least I believe so...