Thanx Sarge
well, I was just messing with another exe that was written in VB6 and after investigation it was packed after compile with UPX...
I used PE Explorer with the UPX un-packer plugin to un pack the exe then saved, then tried to open with RACE 2.7 no luck but VBReformer 3.6 just walked right into it with no problems....
now I think I understand why you have 3.1
I did send ya an e-mail Sarge