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Old 08-16-2026, 01:19
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So I'm more focusing on the simple fact that LLMs have definitely shown language is not a special human unique ability. The watermarks are not intended to stop abuse you describe and are more just a simple way to detectably source material with some good probability of being correct. I dont think anyone is upset about this given how trivial defeating language schemes is.

The problem you refer to is real. And it isnt going to be solved by watermarks in the long run. That is coser to the classic bot detection and duplicate user detection or even paying for metric manipulation than what we were doing to discuss here. This is about if we can reverse these watermarks including detecting without the vendors tools which is hard due to the crypto seed, and remove them which is easy as these LLMs are most useful in generating structured JSON output which could be a set of patches to words or phrases and would make a model self defeat its own watermarks. We cant rely on language alone. No reason to pretend that we can
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