Taos, what exactly is the difference between system and process debugger (as shown in your example?) I dont have SI installed to test but is that what it's referring to?

Shub: I think he was referring to his version that crashes in olly. Although when I run it, it detects a process debugger (same w/ msvs it detects process debugger). I think by crash he means it keeps running and doesn't stop. But it's definitately detected.

very interesting pan