What to use now as VC++

Of course, Delphi 2005 (Delphi 9) compiles both native win32 and .Net.

[aldente]

Yes, Delphi 9 DOES so, because the programmers either noted themselves that compiling only .NET (like in Delphi 8) is bullshit, or got to know it by their customers.

Hello all,

Interesting comments here on two platfroms. Here are my two cents on above mater:

I've been a programer for 10 years now...The first serious programing was with Borland C++ Builder 1 (since i was c fan) this was the one owesome tool.(great IDE, RAD...1 exe deployment). I was thinking to go with Microsoft Visual but after some trying i Borland way more suitable.

Then I started to work in team development, and I had to switch to Borland Delphi. The switch was simple, same vendor, different language. I worked with Delphi until 8 release. We were thinking to upgrade but we found out that 8 release is actually improvement of 7 with NET. Sadly Borland did not have time to finish Win32 support, that is why it only produces .NET.

During this period I was working also with M$ Visual C++, and i still use it.

Sorry if this post is a long one, but my point here is that complier is just a tool. For example if you need to drill something there are like a toons of vendors who supply different tools for this: BOSH, HILTY...etc. The differene between them is a performance and of course the price. Same with programing. Clients does not care which tools you use - They are interested in only one thing - applications that are easy to use and helps them to do their job.

So, if you are thinking to get back to progaming it is better to use newer techology. The .NET C++ is better, but is it worth the upgrade? If you work with .net then Yes. If not, it depends on your financial freedom. If you're have money to invest, or your employer have the money then go for it.

As for the Delphi tool, i have not played with Delphi 2005 yet. I am working with ASP.NET (C#) and what can i say...just another tool that generates an income for my life.

Just my two cents...regards to all...ASmith

[omidgl]

I think if you don't need to involve yourself with .NET and Microsoft IL, then VC++ 6 is steal the best environment for every real programmers.

[aldente]

As for the Delphi tool, i have not played with Delphi 2005 yet. I am working with ASP.NET (C#) and what can i say...just another tool that generates an income for my life.

Well, ASP.NET is maybe one of the few things, .NET is usefull for, so you don't have to use crappy php-stuff.

But for traditional Windows-programming, .NET is really shitty bullshit.

As a development enviroment there are better alternatives: Source Insight, Slickedit, Codewright
VS is good but its power comes from libraries/frameworks that come with :
MFC,.NET etc....

Originally Posted by Big_or_what

Well, ASP.NET is maybe one of the few things, .NET is usefull for, so you don't have to use crappy php-stuff.

But for traditional Windows-programming, .NET is really shitty bullshit.

Well, power of computers doubles about every 18 months, they say. But developers don't get faster at the same rate. So, I see creation of frameworks that increase effectiveness of developers as a good thing (even if these frameworks add some overhead to programs). You are probably aware that similar things had been said about C++ by C programmers. Why make religion out of programming? I think the most important criterion in most cases should be whether it's good for business.

As far as performance is concerned (at least, that of C#), take a look at Does C# Measure Up? (why isn't this link rendered as one?... suka)

Originally Posted by omidgl

I think if you don't need to involve yourself with .NET and Microsoft IL, then VC++ 6 is steal the best environment for every real programmers.

Would be true if VC++6 could be used to compile C++ sources. Unfortunately it has such a terrible language support that I can't treat it a C++ compiler. For mainly C projects it is perfect.