rank your "uncrackable" software protection

Originally Posted by h--

Ditto, i haven't seen anything in the "wild" protected by it, only some people claiming that it's adequate.

Not in the wild, but it is used successfully to protect some custom software.

I know this because i implemeted the protectiopn for a small company

Any protector is very good if you USE it properly. Most software devs just want something quick and easy, and to keep out the general population.

Armadillo is almost impossible if you use secured sections with many certifactes and ECDSA level 10 keys, custom environment variables, and all other protections enabled. You simply will not crack it without a valid code, and if you put in the proper checks on it, you are in for some serious headache patching even if you do dump it properly (which most people don't).

Themida/Winlicense/VMprotect is still quite formidable if you again, implement it properly. Using code wrap/encrypt in your source code and using proper checks.

Properly removing safedisc/safecast/activemark/securom is also quite the challenge. Dumped VM's suck, k thanks!

=]

Again I'd go with most people and say Themida/Winlicense (especially if properly configured) and execryptor

NoobyProtect : seems to be top of the food-chain right now.

I cant even run the demo on my pc... it drains 50% of my CPU and die (without being debugged of course). Cant say anything.

Enigma Protector : is still very solid.

Are you joking?

Winlicense/Themdia : is still very solid.

I have never come accross this protector for my purposes and i am sure that i cant unpack it. However i saw many tutes around and so many people focusing on this.

Asprotect/SKE : I don't see much anymore, that may just be a fluke.

Asprotect with crypted functions is still very difficult to crack. I can only remember a bday attack to the decryption-based-on-keys from unpack.cn in 2006.

Never tried Obsidium too.

Armadillo : Chad & Nick need to come up with some new tricks, outside of their ECDSA level 10 keys, Armadillo is pretty much rapped at will anymore.

I like arma, at the beginning it went out with new ideas in the re field (nanos & child/father). I still love it and i hope that authors will implement something new. Unpacking this protection has no secrets nowadays (but could be a little difficult sometimes), keygenning it is still a challenge.

I dont know about execryptor but it must be a dead project

And finally... who resumed this old topic?

[Loki]

Agreed..... how the hell can NoobyProtect be considered strong when theres sod all out there to look at??

If its really that good there would be no problem chucking out some protected files to show off its strength. At the moment it just talks the talk with out even taking its first steps, let alone walking the walk. Thats no disrespect to Nooby, its merely a statement of fact.

Having said that, NoobyProtect is employing by far the safest 'protection' and that is limited distribution of 'non-demo' versions. If the code aint there, it aint going to be cracked (although carding then becomes the problem). The only way VB Decompiler was beaten was because the code was made available. Even using some of the better protectors it was then beaten by someone who had put the time in to learn.

[quosego]

Winlicense/Themdia : is still very solid.

WL can be unpacked without a license and registered with 2 dwords.. I'd call that crap.
It's VM is the only thing that's decent everything else is lazy coding.

As for noobyprotect, I've only seen the demo. And it was not very impressive.
But I could be wrong.

[D-Jester]

My assumptions of NoobyProtect are based on ahmadmansoor overview and comments:
http://forum.exetools.com/showthread.php?t=12446

I have been very busy and haven't even looked into it.

Keep in mind, these were my personal opinions of protections based on experience(s) with them. The derogatory tones in some of your comments aren't necessary. If you have a different opinion then please feel free to share it.

[Asus]

Wibu Codemeter is another uncrackedable at this time - I guess!

[Syoma]

Wibu CodeMeter is crackable. Just look around.

[Asus]

Originally Posted by Syoma

Wibu CodeMeter is crackable. Just look around.

Without dongle access and Enveloped, is it cracked-able?!

[Syoma]

Originally Posted by Asus

Without dongle access and Enveloped, is it cracked-able?!

Why do you ask? Anyway, it is.

[Asus]

Originally Posted by Syoma

Why do you ask? Anyway, it is.

Because I have one of this kind and also asked some reversers and they always ask dongle to do

Originally Posted by Syoma

Why do you ask? Anyway, it is.

This would be very interesting if it were true.

Without access to the dongle which usually contains the decryption key, one would have only two choices: 1. bruteforce, 2. give up. Unless the implementation uses DES or some damn weak encryption, then it becomes interesting.

Do you mind to shed some more light over here, Syoma?

[quosego]

Yeah crypkey is nice.. Though doable, just something that needs a bit of time..
Mostly due to lack of documentation.

Other than those, I am from a much older generation of 'cracking', and what you kids do now just amazes and impresses me!

I'm from the younger generation.. And well we all had to learn it from the older dudes one time.. We could skip a lot of stuff thanks to the tuts and info the older generation provided.. But I suppose that has always been the case, we all built on the culture the previous generation has provided.

Me wonders what the generation time is..

[Git]

> But I suppose that has always been the case

Yep, JMI and I learned from the Bletchley Park work

Git